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echo says:
"if you're in trouble or hurt or need - go to poor people. they're the only ones who will help. the only ones." - john steinbeck.
i still remember the grapes of wrath. i read it 25 years ago.
i have found this to be the case. and i find it completely offensive when the rich have their little charity soirees. they sashay about in their $2000 outfits and their $500 haircuts and suck each others cocks while commending themselves on the greatness of their humanitarianism. it is the most repulsive and hypocritical display i am aware of. though i do not doubt worse things of this type exist outside the scope of my awareness.
posted 1 week ago
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Janie-In-Nautilus [take cover] says:
Yeah. Hell, yeah. The west, with their 'generosity'. I need to get out.
posted 3 days ago
echo says:
WES ANDERSON
rushmore was his only great film. royal tenenbaums was good, perhaps worth a couple of views. life aquatic was completely and utterly unwatchable. i watched darjeeling limited recently. it was watchable.
posted 1 week ago
echo says:
"a morning glory at my window satisfies me more than the metaphysics of books" -walt whitman
i almost passed this one by, then i though about it some, and it is one i need. i will not find my satisfaction in understanding life and the things in it (as i have struggled to do all these years) but by enjoying those things in it that please me. i had know that once, but i could not get to the place where they were, and i have forgotten. and so the next quote seems to speak to what passed between myself and mr. whitman.
"it is the function of art to renew our perception. what we are familiar with we cease to see. the writer shakes up the familiar scene, and, as if by magic, we see new meaning in it." -anais nin
posted 2 weeks ago
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Ichneumonidae says:
Ah, but the meaning of Mr. Whitman's statement may have multiple meanings for you that evolve over time. The complexity that is at play within the formation, evolution and adaptation of a morning glory is ridiculously complex.....but it's also a flower that looks nice...simple pleasure.
With each formation of life, there is resurrection, the soil that fed the morning glory contains remains of humans and creatures long gone, decomposed but yet they give way to new life....and so life is filled with unfolding meanings just waiting for you to explore and reflect on. For some reason, I generally stay away from quotes but I've got one for ya
"Life is like a wild tiger. You can either lie down and let it lay its paw on your head or sit on its back and ride it" Ride the Wild Tiger, cited by Judith McGill (1996) Developing Leisure Identities: A Pilot Project.
If you can't, "get to the place where they were and.....have forgotten" get on the damn tiger and ride somewhere else! I much prefer having a nap with a nice paw resting on my head....
posted 1 week ago
echo says:
i believe other meanings will occur to me over time. it also alludes to the distinction between thinking and living.
the tiger, hmmm. what if it's hungry?
what do you mean about "get to the place where they were and.....have forgotten"?
posted 1 week ago
Ichneumonidae says:
I was just quoting your above post....getting to place where you enjoy the things in your life that please you??? I'm unsure how you avoid enjoying the things that please you, but I'm sure it's possible.
As for your 'hungry tiger' I'm sure there's many, including myself, that spend much time moving through the tigers digestive tract and get spit out the other end....
posted 1 week ago
echo says:
the comma threw me. it reads differently with it there. i don't quite get the analogy of life being like a wild tiger. it doesn't seem that way to me.
i don't see how you could understand anything about me if you have no notion of how it is possible, not so much to avoid enjoying the things that please, but to not make the effort to get to those things.
posted 1 week ago
echo says:
fine. be that way then. i don't need you. i don't need anybody! i am a beautiful snowflake! i am awakening the goddess within!
posted 2 weeks ago
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Ichneumonidae says:
Oh for crying out loud, we talked about the song, now it's time to recharge....you're still special, but I hope it's not cold enough to have beautiful snowflakes were you are!
posted 2 weeks ago
echo says:
i'm melting......i'm melting. who would have thought you could destroy my beautiful wickedness.
posted 2 weeks ago
moo says:
If it's any consolation, I like snow a lot.
But I do prefer to play in it - it doesn't make me sad.. in fact, my spirits lift when I see snow.
You may not need us but we're not going away. I may not comment in here but that doesn't mean I don't watch - it just means I'm trying to keep it light - and nowadays that isn't too much effort. I have off days, days where I feel totally sorry for myself, but it usually just takes one of my friends on here to tell me to shut the fuck up or to pull myself together, and I'm back on the happy track again.
Try not to despair echo - give us another chance.
posted 2 weeks ago
echo says:
i guess i don't joke enough. i was totally joking all the way through. that one before you was the wicked witch of the west you know. maybe i should have used more exclamation points. freudian slip at first. i started to type explanation points. anyway, i've got a day off, and i'm going to go do something useful rather than spend my day waiting for you guess to entertain and pay attention to me.
posted 2 weeks ago
echo says:
i just saw john oliver's new show, terrifying times. there is such a great bit on fundamentalists wanting to put stickers on the front of all textbooks explaining that evolution is only one possible theory of life on earth. here, check it out. he has the most brilliant answer to this i have ever heard. it's towards the end of the clip, but the beginning is brilliant as well. the whole show is worth watching, but the last 15 minutes of the hour are weak by comparison.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=ixpxO_DyaBI&feature=related
posted 3 weeks ago
echo says:
a song. there are many, many songs that have intense meaning to me, and there are songs that speak to me. some of those songs i think would speak to other people, songs they would not otherwise hear, and i think this one in particular has pertinent things to say and should be heard. the second song on my project playlist.http://www.playlist.com/user/7998548 i'm feeling a bit hopeful at the moment. not to worry, it will pass, and no doubt more quickly than it should. i've rearranged the playlist up to Love My Way, so that's kind of where my head is at now (but i don't think i got the order quite right). if anyone else puts together a playlist and wants to share something particularly meaningful, please do.
WRAPPED IN GREY-XTC
Some folks see the world as a stone
Concrete daubed in dull monotone
Your heart is the big box of paints
And others, the canvas we're dealt
Your heart is the big box of paints
How coloured the flowers all smelled
As they huddled there, in petalled prayer
They told me this, as I knelt there
Awaken you dreamers
Adrift in your beds
Balloons and streamers
Decorate the inside of your heads
Please let some out
Do it today
But don't let the loveless ones sell you
A world wrapped in grey
Some folks pull this life like a weight
Drab and dragging dreams made of slate
Your heart is the big box of paints
And others, the canvas we're dealt
Your heart is the big box of paints
Just think how the old masters felt, they call...
Awaken you dreamers
Asleep at your desks
Parrots and lemurs
Populate your unconscious grotesques
Please let some out
Do it today
Don't let the loveless ones sell you
A world wrapped in grey
And in the very least you can
Stand up naked and
Grin
posted Apr 15
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Ichneumonidae says:
Yeah, that's why when I try to write song lyrics, I generally stop. How are you supposed to beat that? I'm standing around naked and grinning all the time, but I sure as heck can't turn it into words like that......I actually find people who put up poetry and song lyrics kind of peculiar, like what is your intent? Do you simply want to share lyrics that mean something to you, or does it have something to do with presenting yourself as a certain type of person.....I believe they are referred to in self determination psychology literature as 'ego-invested self structures', where you portray to people what you wish for them to see in you...like if I thought the structure of values and persona involved in being a surfer was something I wanted people to see in me....then I might take up surfing, but perhaps, not for the right reasons
Anyways, blah blah, I'm not a psychologist so I should shut up, still do you believe that in sharing a song that has meaning to you, people will be able to comprehend that within the complex, subjective and dynamic nature of your personal perspective as it shifts and evolves over time???????? (Bet you're sorry you invited me here....guess you can boot me out)
posted Apr 17
echo says:
i just want to share this and hope it means something to someone who never heard it before. i have trouble believing it, at least as it applies to me, but maybe someone else could hear it, maybe someday live it. that possibility is enough.
no, i can't boot you. maybe in virb 2....but you don't frighten me. you will have to try harder.
posted Apr 17
Tia Prisci says:
Great lyrics. I love when it says, "Your heart is the big box of paints. And others, the canvas we're dealt." I tend to see the potential in others, but, honestly, I don't know if I have done enough to really help others reach their potential. Ok, I probably sound quite corny and some might think it is pushy to want to help others reach their full potential. However, I do have hope in people. Although I might sound quite idealistic, I know that his world and people can be quite dark and ugly (this includes even me...I am definitely not perfect). However, I can be a pretty stubborn person and just don't want to give up on people...
Ok, I just rambled on and don't even think this makes much sense. I don't even think the lyrics are saying what I am understanding. hahaha.
posted Apr 18
echo says:
rambling is fine. they won't all be gems, but think of all the things we'd have missed if andy partridge never rambled on. i am taking this opportunity to encourage rambling. don't be afraid to say what you think. perhaps i should be more nurturing. i want people to share more, and speak up more, but i have been confrontational and insulting. so right here, right now, i am going to change that. say what is on your minds. i may disagree, i may argue, but will no longer belittle. i mentioned in my other group how i have done that because of my own feelings of insecurity and issues of self-worth. so here is the turning point. where's that burnt umber?
and i thought your understanding was spot on (see, i'm being more nurturing already).
posted Apr 18
echo says:
well that resolve lasted all of 3 days. and it was in a group i am more loath to behave that way than in here. but sometimes something has to be said, and i think my motives were not what they used to be in such cases. so perhaps it only appears to be a breach of my resolution, but does not in fact violate it.
posted Apr 21
WoozyChain says:
if i would have received a friend request from you, i would have accepted. i just joined this group about 2 weeks or so ago.
posted Apr 10
echo says:
i've noticed that many of you have never said anything. to me or in the group. i have sent many of you friend invites along with a message. you accept but never say a word. the question i am now posing to myself is whether to try harder to encourage this silent majority to speak up. i think that most of the time the meaningless exchanges that go on are merely a safe means of trying to make contact. it involves none of the risk of revealing anything real. i am very pleased with the group so far and all of the contributions people have made. but i wonder if some of you have something to say but are afraid.
posted Apr 6
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echo says:
this entry called for a complete re-write. it was a bit harsh at first. i get frustrated sometimes and say things that are counterproductive to my goals and downright assholish.
posted Apr 7
Jimvani. says:
i try my best to talk.
but you know my situation with my current internet access.
posted Apr 7
echo says:
i wasn't talking about you. you contribute plenty. i was wondering about the 85% who never say anything. don't understand why they don't.
posted Apr 7
Jimvani. says:
i sometimes forget about all the groups im in.
because i mean i dont get as frequent updates when something new is posted like when i get comments or messages.
posted Apr 9
moo says:
Hi echo - you've shamed me into making a comment here! I know I'm pretty inactive on this group and I do apologise for that. You know I like to keep it frivolous most of the time and this group is really serious from what I've read - and believe it or not, I do read all the comments. I'll try and make more effort - not that I have much to contribute at the moment though.
posted Apr 12
echo says:
hey moo, long time no see. good to hear from you. i wasn't referring to you though. i know, we have different predilections, that's ok. nice to know you keep up though. i have a new group, i didn't invite you, not because i didn't want you, but i'm sure it's way too heavy for your tastes. if you want to just take a look:http://www.virb.com/groups/14689379. who knows, maybe some drunken maudlin night, you'll come and have your say.
posted Apr 12
moo says:
oh - yes, I had noticed the group - seems even more intense than this one - so I may need to work myself up to that one!
But like you say - one maudlin night maybe - I do have a fair few of those!
My latest group (as of a few days ago) was one I didn't send invites to - just an extension of my latest blog really, marking my first year on Virb (next week) - feel free to drop in if you wish too..
http://www.virb.com/groups/47804691
posted Apr 12
Damon says:
Have you had your home or car broken in to? Had stuff stolen? How did this experience effect your attitude toward theft?
Why do you think stealing from work is so common? (for people that have or have had a job)
posted Apr 4
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echo says:
my kidney was stolen. i woke up in a hotel in a tub of ice water.so now i have brinks vital organ security for the remaining kidney and any other black-marketable parts. they guarantee armed response at the first sign of an unauthorized scalpel breach of the subdermis.
posted Apr 5
echo says:
yeah, but what if i put in an order for a kidney, and they steal my other one to sell back to me? my brinks service just expired after i couldn't pay the premium. but obviously i couldn't afford a kidney now anyway. i wonder what they go for. and how much they would pay someone who wanted to sell theirs. is it an all inclusive fee when you buy one? what kind of post op care do they provide?
posted Apr 5
echo says:
since no one speaks to me much anymore, for whatever reasons, reasons which may be best not to inquire, i am now having my conversations these writers. though one way, still it is something.
"Words do not express thoughts very well. They always become a little different immediately after they are expressed, a little distorted, a little foolish." - herman hesse
true, it is difficult, though not impossible to express thoughts in words. it takes skill, but can be done, has been done certainly by a few. at least it seems so, there's no telling for certain what was in their heads that they were trying to convey. and though the idea may be put out perfectly, or even obscurely, it being properly received is always in doubt.
"the writer must be able to revel and roll in the abundance of words; he must know not only the direct but also the secret power of the word. there are overtones and undertones to a word, and lateral echoes too." - knut hamsun
posted 1 week ago
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Janie-In-Nautilus [take cover] says:
"Words do not express thoughts very well. They always become a little different immediately after they are expressed, a little distorted, a little foolish." - herman hesse
spoken word is hard, almost impossible because there are so many inhibitions that come with speaking and making yourself noticeable and facing people. with written word, though, i feel like i can communicate unfalteringly. my own requirement is that my readers pay attention. i have been hiding in secret caves, gold and red glass and in the cold depths, i learned the secrets of overtones, undertones, and lateral echoes. they are obvious and in plain view, and i've never met someone who couldn't hear me when i wrote...
posted 4 days ago
echo says:
that's interesting. you must not be meeting the right people ;) i do see plenty of them who wouldn't have a clue what you were talking about. i looked at This American Life on IFC the other day, it was an iraqi speaking to random americans. the number of them who believed george bush even now is frightening. it was quite an exhibit of the horror of the depths of the stupidity of the american people.
but even given that the people who are reading your words as brighter than that, how do you know for sure that they understand?
posted 4 days ago
Janie-In-Nautilus [take cover] says:
well.. when I write-- I'm trying to write universally (not always, but often). And then the unlikeliest people look what I write and get it. Like, the people who, whenever I am around, are overtly thinking everything I do is 'weird'. I don't think.. I've ever met anybody who thought my writing was.. nothing. Sometimes it scares people, but the silliest hardcore kids and girls with ugg boots and boring suburban adults and everything-- I can talk to them and have it mean something when I write. I may be utterly deluded here, but six years of writing have convinced me that good writing is entirely universal.
So yeah. There are stupid people. I don't think they're inherently fucked up, though. I think years of societal conditioning have fucked them up. When I write, I'm trying to get underneath the skin of societal conditioning and they're people. They are made of something better then idiotic western ideas, and that's why I feel like words, done right, can communicate with them all.
posted 3 days ago
Ichneumonidae says: NEW
"The eloquence of text may contrast sharply with the toil, messiness and difficulties involved in the writing process...the essence or nature of [your] experience has been adequately described in language if the description reawakens or shows us the lived quality and significance of the experience in a fuller or deeper manner." - Max Van Manen
That's a pretty broad statement that allows for spoken word, poetry and academic texts...all in one.
Each separate person will interpret your language (whether spoken or written) through their personal lens however it looks like if you are considering having a universal writing style and have spent 6 years plugging away at it.......then my personal thought is that your potential to reach people grows everyday.
posted 15 hours ago