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Emiliano says:
Couple of things:
First, Entertainment Weekly has brief interviews with Mary McDonnell, Edward James Olmos, and Ronald D. Moore regarding the finale. All the interviews were interesting, but I found this quote from RDM cool regarding the music:
"One of the ideas I wanted to play was, okay, if you found a song that we, the audience, recognize, you realize that you have a connection to this world too, and suddenly other pieces start to fit. Well, why do they wear suits and ties? Why do they look so much like us? What is the connection between them and us?"
For me that quote brought up a lot of stuff about Battlestar that I had taken for granted, and I'm now really interested in where they are going with this.
Also Katee Sackhoff did a radio interview a couple of days ago with Cort and Fanboy. The file is located on this site under KUFO, Portland (Cort & Fatboy), 3/26/2007. The thing that I found interesting about this one was the fact that originally they (RDM and David Eick) didn't want her to tell the cast that she was coming back. That seemed pretty cruel, and I'm glad they revised that decision after Katee talked to them.
posted Mar 30
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WaxPatriot says:
So wait, did she or didn't she tell them? Because I know Eddie was so upset he smashed up the ship, or was that just a marketing ruse?
posted Mar 31
Caped Avenger says:
i already posted the Cort and Fatboy interview but there's so much F'in talk about Bob Dylan on this page that it got bumped off :\
posted Apr 4
Rob says:
Listening the latest podcast, it seems that RDM intended to not tell anyone until the finale was in production (when it would be obvious), but there was so much protest from the rest of the cast and crew that they were pretty much forced to divulge the truth ahead of time.
posted Apr 12
WaxPatriot says:
REGARDING THE MUSIC (which, yes, I'm still hung up on)
"I learned that the idea was not that Bob Dylan necessarily exists in the characters' universe, but that an artist on one of the colonies may have recorded a song with the exact same melody and lyrics," McCreary wrote Monday in his online blog. "Perhaps this unknown performer and Dylan pulled inspiration from a common, ethereal source. Therefore, I was told to make no musical references to any "Earthly" versions, [Jimi] Hendrix, Dylan, or any others. The arrangement needed to sound like a pop song that belonged in the 'Galactica' universe, not our own."
That idea was even more incredible as McCreary rarely ever, if ever, has used English lyrics in his songs. Past songs have used Italian, Latin and even Celtic, but never English. Now he had to put together something that would sound familiar to a rock-conscious audience, but still be different enough to be a part of "Battlestar Galactica."
And McCreary didn't need to look far to sing the famous lyrics, either. He kept it right in the family, bringing on Bt4, or known in his clan as his brother, Brendan McCreary.
"As much as I lavished on the instrumental arrangement, it is his vocal performance that holds the whole thing together," McCreary said of his brother. "You guys have all heard him sing before, on the first season's Main Title, and on Season 2's 'The Cylon Prisoner' from [the episode] 'Pegasus.'"
In April, McCreary will begin the studio work for the "Battlestar Galactica" Season 3 soundtrack album, which will include "All Along the Watchtower," for release in mid-August, the same time that the "Battlestar Galactica" Season 3 DVD set is expeced to be released.
posted Mar 28
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AngelBaby says:
omg is anyone buying that?
why not also inform us that there was a writer in Caprica's past who wrote plays that had the exact same words as Hamlet, Macbeth, etc.
and since when is the Galactica universe NOT our own? or are we expected to believe that it's another coincidence that in this other universe there is a race of sentient beings who happen to look just like us and also call themselves humans, who are looking for a planet called Earth?
posted Mar 28
AngelBaby says:
i handle it just fine. in fact, i've probably forgotten more about it than you know.
what i don't handle well are the writers or musicians involved with a hit tv show trying to b.s. me with some nonsense trying to make it seem like they had some BIG IDEA. it insults my intelligence, and should yours as well. unless you are just the type of accept-everything fanboy that quotes like the above are aimed at.
posted Mar 30
WaxPatriot says:
Woah, hold the phone. I meant no offense. Have you read the interview that was posted earlier?
http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/07085/770732-352.stm
I think there's less "B.S." than you may think. That's all I'm saying. I'll admit shows like X-Files and Lost wrote according to what the audience wants, or they simply wrote in ways to make plenty of hooks and cliffhangers. Ron Moore, however, has gone against the grains in many regards. I mean, the guy wrote a complete canon for the mythology before they even started filming the series. I'm confident the direction they're heading is well-founded and will be completely entertaining.
posted Mar 30
HYDRO74 says:
hmm. you bring up a good point, but don't let this become star trek. my passion for the show will not extend to dressing up like Apollo.. no matter how damn studly he is.
if there is a 'different bob, jimmy, etc' on their end, i think the value of the earth colony would be pointless. Be like bizzaro bob's and jimmy's. might discredit the importance of earth, unless earth "or as they refer to earth" is actually not 'us', but just another collective of the same race, and in that means, the bizzaro world might work.
posted Apr 17
FREE BLANKENSHIP! says:
Moore interview about the season finale here.
Tory's last name is Foster? yikkkkes. The first girl to ever dump me was named Tory Foster. i.e. I dated a cylon in sixth grade.
posted Mar 27
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wiseacre | paul armstrong says:
crap, now my mind is spinning. there has to be grown children from these final fives; you'd think, right? if they've been around for so long (since Tigh has been around since the war with the Cylons about 40 years ago), then maybe they've been around longer -- like thousands of years? is any part of the human race human at all? if i ts "all happened before", perhaps the human race wiped (or nearly wiped) itself out thousands of years ago, and these cylon human originals helped start new colonies with the survivors? the mind races ...
posted Mar 27
WaxPatriot says:
Why would there need to be full grown children? Tigh is the oldest, and he definitely didn't have any kids. He says so after Apollo tells him off when Bill was in the coma.
I think the story will suggest a cycle of sorts, and I really wouldn't be surprised if "humanity" turns out to be cylons in some way.
The real tragedy is that we have to wait until August for season 3 to come out on DVD.
posted Mar 29
wiseacre | paul armstrong says:
You're assuming that Tigh is the oldest as he is (early 60s) but, he's a Cylon, I'd assume he's WAY older ... how much has be forgotten or been programmed to forget? Do these 5 resurrect? How long have they been around?
posted Mar 30
Beck says:
Right.... a lot of the 'sleeper' agent cylons (Boomer, that press guy from the Pilot, etc.) all thought they had grown up as children on one colony or another and had real parents, but turns out they were just implanted memories to make their cover more believable.
Oh, and for those that get cable, UHD is broadcasting Season3 in "Hi Def"..... I put that in quotes since the picture quality isnt terrific even if the aspect ratio is 16:9. The final few minutes of CrossRoads is pretty sweet on a 60" TV without artifical zoom.
posted Jun 14
wiseacre | paul armstrong says:
I wish this thing did polls (hmmm), but then it might be to "message boardy".
Who thought last night's finale was great (and why); who thought it was lame (and why)?
posted Mar 26
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Bronwyn says:
I'm disappointed only partially because of the song. That rang especially false and awkward, particularly when the Final Four were muttering it to themselves. But there are other things that irritate me about this episode and the third season in general.
Firstly, it has seemed, since about half a dozen episodes into this season, not so much as though the creators were "following their story arc" as just making it up as they went along. If you listen to Ron Moore's podcast, this holds up. They had other, bigger ideas that they abandoned because they weren't working during production. And those ideas, to me, were better than what the final product delivered.
Secondly, you can't cram a season's worth of revelation into one episode. They frankly wasted our time with four one-off episodes in a row -- character-driven though they were -- and consequently lost a lot of momentum. And you certainly can't make up for that lost momentum by spending half the finale in a courtroom. Lee's speech was actually a highlight of that episode, but this is the season finale. Think back to past season finales. Does this one hold up? Personally, I don't think so.
And finally, this season left a lot of really great story threads dangling for no good reason. For example, what is the relationship between the Final Five and the five prophets of the Eye of Jupiter? Now THAT was interesting. How is it that human mythology and Cylon mythology converged at the Eye of Jupiter? Maybe we'll get to that later, and maybe Starbuck's a part of that, but you need to give viewers something to hold on to...something to wait a year for. I don't feel Moore & Co. have done that.
posted Mar 26
FREE BLANKENSHIP! says:
good points. it definitely isnt near the caliber of cliff hanger as the other season finales. i cant help but think the final five thing is just going to end up cheesy. any other time theyve done a cylon reveal it's just always a huge "oh snap!" moment. i found myself not surprised, not excited, not anything when we see the final 4 of the 5. it just seems all too "convienent".
posted Mar 26
wiseacre | paul armstrong says:
I agree with you on the one offs; totally ... and that they pussy-footed around for no apparent reason; that said ... I think they gained momentum in the last 3 episodes not merely just in this episode. I don't think its fair to compare past season finales; then we'd be bitching about how they're just following a formula and not being original. and further, i'm not sure if the expectations of what should happen are any better than what did happen ... would it be more dramatic that the final five are complete strangers, people we've not seen before? would it be better that kara simply just died?
the final five from the eye of jupiter; do you mean what deana saw (because they are the exact same five; i believe).
i'm just not seeing how this is the worst episode ever. just not.
posted Mar 26
AngelBaby says:
oh, it's not even CLOSE to worst ep ever status. for example, the Chief and Cally stuck in the airlock episode BLEW by comparison.
u see whut i did thar? ;)
posted Mar 26
AngelBaby says:
btw, did anyone else have to blink a couple of times just to make sure Starbuck wasn't wearing a shiny white flightsuit and helmet?
heh.
posted Mar 26
Caped Avenger says:
god, when i realized it was All Along the Watchtower, I laughed out loud and then dove into a depression of dissapointment. Like, seriously, BOB DYLAN?? I love bob dylan, but why the hell would they incorporate such a pop culture reference into a civilization that has never even been in contact with us??
I'm going to also be really angry if Starbuck is all in Lee's head. I really hope she's there.
posted Mar 26
Bronwyn says:
I mean that the humans have a mythology about the temple of the Eye that has to do with five prophets and there are also five remaining Cylons. Deanna saw the final five Cylons (and was promptly deactivated), but while we as viewers have caught on, no one on the show seems to have drawn this critical conclusion: What if the final five Cylons are also the prophets?
It's got nothing to do with the final four knowing one another. I just don't buy them as renegade Cylons about whom the other Cylons do not speak, or as visionary prophets. Tyrol is the only one who's shown any kind of aptitude for that, and I have other issues with him being a Cylon (see below...).
I really do not believe that we even have seen the final five. I think something happened to these folks on New Caprica and they merely think they are Cylons. I mean, wouldn't Tyrol's kid be rather more important if he were a Cylon? Wouldn't Six and Athena and Laura be dreaming of him, too? Kinda makes Hera a lot less important if there's another Cylon/human kid running around.
Now, of course, this kind of theorizing and speculation is exactly what makes BSG great, but I wish I didn't feel like I've thought about it more than the creators have. Obviously, that's not true, but that's what I've felt like for the second half of this season. Story threads left dangling, obvious conclusions not faced, big opportunities missed, then a rush during the final few episodes to catch up.
I just found it frustrating. And not in a good cliffhangery way.
posted Mar 27
Bronwyn says:
Oh and thank you, Caped Avenger! I NEVER want to laugh at what's supposed to be a serious episode of BSG, but laugh I most certainly did. The song was embarrassing and really undermined the gravity of the rest of the episode.
I felt...dirty!
posted Mar 27
Caped Avenger says:
yeah i mean when i heard the first line, i recognized it as the song, but then said to myself: "man wouldn't that be hillarious if they were singing that bob dylan song?" but I never fathomed they would actually do it!! i didn't think they'd stoop so low as to just put the entire song in there.......... and then when the music kicked in and it was a poor U2 cover of it, i just lost it and almost threw my screen out the window
posted Mar 27
monsteratomic says:
I loved it too, so many good developments that propel us into the next season.
I think the Dylan song dates us to post-modern times so at least we know we're not going to end up in Roman times with Baltar being the new Jesus. Plus it alludes to the final episode of the 70s series where Apollo misses intercepting the Apollo 11 transmission.
Ronald D Moore gives some pretty definitive answers to what happened in the season finale.
http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/07085/770732-352.stm
posted Mar 27
HYDRO74 says:
it was okay. left a good amount of questions. Let's say you need at least two shows to go over the 'cult of baltar', then a good 2-3 focusing on 'are they cylons, what is their purpose, etc, then more going in the presidence cancer. Then of course, we have the baby, and that drama which will take a episode, .. I don't see this as a final season, unless the movie that is projected dials in everything thus freeing up a lot of episodes for the earth search.
part of me wants this to be a final season, only because i hate it when a good series over does it. they are on a ship that is pretty much beaten worse than Alabama step child (sorry, bad joke), unless they do another 'new caprica' segment, but that is the been there, done that state.
i liked it, but the ending was quite different than any other BS ending. the cheesy fade out to the milky way was a little odd, but i got the point.
posted Apr 17
Bronwyn says:
Frak that.
No offense to you fine people, because any Battlestar fan is a friend of mine, but that was The. Worst. Episode. Ever. Here's what I have learned:
1. Bob Dylan is a Cylon.
2. The Final Four (March Madness coincidence? I think not.) were all brainwashed on New Caprica to believe they were Cylons. By Bob Dylan.
3. There are no new episodes until 2008. I can get 0% APR on a credit card that will expire sooner than that.
Somebody talk me down. I want to know who set the FDL drive to jump the shark.
posted Mar 26
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Bronwyn says:
I prefer to think it stands for "Fastah Dan Lizight." But point taken. I must have been both blinded and rendered illiterate by rage.
posted Mar 26
wiseacre | paul armstrong says:
I was gonna reply, but you know, you're entitlled to that view; I disagree and don't quite see your reasoning (other than the song?)
posted Mar 26
wiseacre | paul armstrong says:
Also, the no new episodes it probably due to the fact that they'll be filming and producing a movie for Season 4 (confirmed many times); and be in production, effects, etc throughout the year. My guess is that its the finale of the series.
Its funny, the show delivers on the speculation, but is there anything they could have done to make "us" happy? I don't think they care, they're following their story arc, and it they don't seem aimless (unlike some network shows concerned only with reaching that coveted 100 episode mark so they can syndicate). The song did suck, but that doesn't ruin a very solid episode.
posted Mar 26
Emiliano says:
I wish they would have gotten the Hendrix version, but my friend pointed out the large amount of money that would have taken. I'm willing to wait to see where they are going with this, but am a little annoyed that I will have to wait so long. I heard that the movie will have little to do with what happened in the finale, so it'll be a good 9 months before I find out what the frack Starbuck is (human, cylon, ghost, Head-Starbuck, Ascended Being?).
posted Mar 26
wiseacre | paul armstrong says:
Yeah, I hate waiting. Hate. But it will be worth it. I'm just glad that they (creators) do have a plan and roadmap with closure and progress. Even if we don't like it, they're going somewhere rather than yanking us around ...
posted Mar 26
Emiliano says:
For people interested in Moore's thoughts on the finale, the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette has an interview with RDM here. It gives some insight as to where they are going and what the TV movies is going to be about. He doesn't clear up Starbuck's fate, which while expected is annoying. The interviewer thinks that next season is it.
Edit: Also Bear McCreary updated his blog. He is BSG's main composer, and comments on the "All Along the Watchtower" cover.
posted Mar 26
AngelBaby says:
i think they chose the lines they did because they are the most recognizable, and thus would elicit the desired "OMG" response in the maximum number of viewers.
only in my case it was more like "OMG THAT IS LAME"
posted Mar 26
wiseacre | paul armstrong says:
@emilliano: why the hell would RDM give away ANYTHING about next season? why do a show if you're just gonna tell people what's gonna happen?
the song was annoying but to me just a footnote on the show; don't let that spoil the whole thing. to be honest, i didn't even know it was all along the watchtower, so, it didn't bug me (the song choice); i just hated hearing lyrics and guitar; that seemed not to be typical of the show at all.
posted Mar 26
Emiliano says:
@wiseacre: I agree, let me clarify my statement. I was annoyed because I would have to wait, not because I actually wanted him to give away anything. I knew he wasn't going to and that he was just teasing with his non-answer. I wasn't angry per say, more anxious since I'm going to have to wait a while for an answer.
The song cover bothered me at first, but then it grew on me a little. I'm looking forward to watching the episode again with an ear towards the final 4 scenes to see if I can pick up on the theme.
Even though it seems unlikely, I hope they bring Romo back for the next season. I liked his character. I thought his presence added something, especially with Lee. In the past I haven't been a big Lee fan, but I did like his interactions with Lampkin.
posted Mar 26
FREE BLANKENSHIP! says:
paul/wiseacre has been trying to get me into BSG for the last year and a half. i finally got into it on march 9th, and after many borrowed dvds and chunk of change on itunes episodes, I am finally caught up now. wanted to wait till i was all caught up to join the virb group. the season finale was the first one i've actually ever watched in realtime. and what the frakkkkk? so that's who the final five is going to be? was kara appearing to lee just a vision? it didnt seem too realistic as her voice wasnt futzed over the radio. uh oh, nerd alert, sorry.
i liked tigh tiny little speech before he started barking orders again. anders/dane cook is growing on me.
posted Mar 26
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wiseacre | paul armstrong says:
All in all, it delivered what we had all been speculating about, talking about; and then some. If we don't like it, I'd say there isn't anything the show could do to make us happy (not that that is their goal).
I think we had speculated that Kara was "portaled" to earth, that what her destiny was (to find a way to earth). That happens in the original series (I believe). I don't think it was an apparition (though she did disappear off dradias).
It seems unlikely to me that Tigh would be a Cylon; unless he's #1; because he's been around for 40 years, and Bill has known him for most of it. I didn't think the human models were introduced expect for a few years prior to the attack on Caprica.
posted Mar 26
FREE BLANKENSHIP! says:
the four of them all meeting in the room seemed a bit odd to me. especially with the chief saying, pretty quickly i might add, "we must all be cylons". i would think people would be soooo against the idea they've been a sleeper cylon, that they wouldn't accept that idea so quickly. they didnt REALLY talk it out of how, or what a completely insane idea it is. "we are all hearing hendrix in space, well we MUST BE cylons then!". the last act of the show just felt really rushed to me. it needed about five more minutes.
did the profiles of the five on the balcony match up to those guys body shapes at all?
posted Mar 26
wiseacre | paul armstrong says:
Chief thought he was a Cylon back before they were on New Caprica, so it didn't surprise me that Chief jumped to that conclusion quickly. Unfortunately they don't have an extra 5 minutes and I'm sure they edited out quite a bit (which they usually put on the DVDs). I mean, what the hell would you do if you had this weird stuff happening to you? Everyone reacts differently; Tigh reacted like Tigh would; Anders got angry like he would; Chief immediately believed it because he already suspected it; and Tori, well, we don't really know shit about her. Was the song they were hearing "All along the Watchtower"; it sounded Indian/Eastern to me. Was Starbuck broadcasting it to them, since she was a Cylon too?
posted Mar 26
Emiliano says:
In regards to Tigh, is it possible that the Cylons faked Tigh's military history? Who served with him that is currently on Galactica? Not Adama, Bill met Tigh on a freighter/cargo ship after the war (2x01, Scattered). I don't think they knew each other before then. He married Ellen after he met Adama, so she might not have know him for that long. Maybe the Cylons started infiltrating the Colonies soon after the first war.
posted Mar 26
wiseacre | paul armstrong says:
Well, he's known Tigh for longer than a few years, but we don't know how long the Cylon Humans have existed, or when they were created, or who created them (did robots really create them; I would think they would HAVE to have human help, or at least humans to dissect). It sucks to wait, but I can't image it won't be worth it.
posted Mar 26
FREE BLANKENSHIP! says:
the REAL question i think everyone is avoiding is how much longer will Baltar's hair get?
posted Mar 26
wiseacre | paul armstrong says:
or greasy? how much more grease can be contain within those locks?
posted Mar 26
WaxPatriot says:
Here are the lyrics to "All Along the Watchtower" in case you were curious:
There must be some kind of way out of here
Said the joker to the theif
There's too much confusion
I can't get no relief
Business men they drink my wine
Plowmen dig my earth
None will level on the wine
Nobody of it is worth
No reason to get exited
The thief he kindly spoke
There are many here among us
Who feel that life is but a joke
But you and I we've been through that
And this is not our fate
So let us talk falsely now
The hour's getting late
All along the watchtower
The princess kept the view
While all the women came
And went bare feet servants too
Outside in the cold distance
A wild cat did growl
Two riders were aproaching
And the wind began to howl
posted Mar 26
wiseacre | paul armstrong says:
Holy Sweet Mother Fraking Moses!
Well, they certainly went all out on that one. My mouth is still wide open. Wide. Open. Anyone else think Season 4 is the last? Yeah, definitive and oh so perfect. Waiting till January of next year is painful, but that gives us time to tell the entire world how this is the best show on television.
posted Mar 25
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John Sherman says:
Yeah - wow. I had goosebumps that episode, the trial was amazing and I would have never predicted who some of the new Cylons are.
posted Mar 25
Jay says:
who says they are cylons? No cylon has ever been human. Unless there's something new (and ridiculous) you can at least rule out Tigh and Kara as cylons.
posted Mar 25
AngelBaby says:
Um...no one seems to be asking the obvious question.
Isn't anyone curious what it means that those 4 are all hearing a song...FROM EARTH?
posted Mar 25
WaxPatriot says:
"the song from earth" is "all along the watchtower." I have faith that Moore won't follow suit like the original series and have Galactica pop around Earth during our modern day. This was the stupidest idea to ever hit a sci-fi series. The song did establish however, that Earth is our Earth, and there's little room for it to be a completely alternate universe. I just hope that Earth is in the far far far future from now. Perhaps the scriptures had it backwards, and the 12 colonies left the 13th to begin life anew (for whatever reason).
Ron Moore,
Please don't make it modern day Earth. I'm begging you.
posted Mar 26
Jay says:
realize that for a broadcast from earth to have travelled that far into space, it would take a very verr very log time.
posted Mar 26
Emiliano says:
I read in an interview with him that either next season or the one after that (5) would be the last:
Think its on page 4 of this Salon article.
I liked it a lot. I'm really confused about the new cylons, especially Tigh. I wonder when the Human Cylons first infiltrated the 12 Colonies. I'm also really confused about Starbuck. Where did she get a new Viper?
posted Mar 26
WaxPatriot says:
I thought the song was an amazing entry into the episode. It made the moments with the 4 of the 5 completely eerie, and to transition that moment into the song loud and booming during the final episode's moments just added to that sense of unrest. It really forced the audience into a new and wonderfully uncomfortable position. I had the same feeling when the music changed at whim when Pegasus was first introduced. I loved it!
Not to mention, a Dylan/Hendrix song was bouncing around the heads of 4 Cylons like a "childhood memory." This adds whole new perspective and direction as to what Earth may be or, at the very least, the Cylon's past connections to it.
I think there's a lot of room here for something completely out of the ordinary to occur in wrapping up the series, just as long as Moore doesn't pursue the same path as the original series.
posted Mar 26
wiseacre | paul armstrong says:
I liked Lee's speech -- that's about as good as you'll get on Law & Order.
The song, meh. Not a fan, I'd rather hear a Bear McCreary original.
Maybe they aren't Cylons, but that doesn't explain the music; yet.
I believe the human Cylons are on a secret (revolt) mission to save humanity for the pure fact that they themselves 1) want to feel human, 2) feel lost and out of place, but more in line with humans than their robot counterparts, 3) believe it was wrong to ever try to wipe out humanity (which they had already discussed).
posted Mar 26
AngelBaby says:
THE HEDGEMAN says:
Yeah, supposedly that nebula is 13,000 lightyears from Earth
actually, it was 13,000 lightyears from the algae planet. in fact, it's believed by most that the "ionian nebula" of the show is the "helix nebula" that we know of. which also happens to be the closest object of its type to earth, only 650 lightyears distant. hence, a transmission of the song from earth would arrive in the neighborhood of the nebula around 2600 AD, give or take, at the earliest.
oh, and here's a picture of the helix nebula...note what it obviously resembles:
posted Mar 26
KelsNotChels says:
I don't believe anything till I see it.
He "said" starbuck was dead. (it was all over the podcast)
He "says" they're all cylons...
He could very well be lying.
Probability tells me that he's not, but who fraking knows anymore??
posted Mar 30
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HYDRO74 says:
starbuck is the new intergalatic Jesus. She resurrected and will save their 40,000 souls. or is it down to 38? who knows. My thought is that starbuck is what number 6 is to Baltar. The cylon thing, i don't know if i buy it yet. too many questions. I wouldn't be shocked if they believed they were cylons, and you find out it's actually a different group of people. Besides. if Chief is a cylon, then that would mean his kid is a mini-toaster, which would take away from Boomers (sigh,.. so hot) mini-toaster. I think relevance of that kid would be lost.
posted Apr 17